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  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
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    kamutan escribió:


    Entonces si no es IRAN y no es Judiolandia..me parece que estan canibalizando. Si tienen 20 aparatos y 10 estan operativos.. 

    Tampoco.

    Recuerda que Venezuela no recibe soporte logistico por parte de USA desde 2009 cuando vencio el contrato de asistencia logistica para los F-16, el canibalismo te da para solo un tiempo y luego cada vez mas van quedando menos aviones con capacidad de volar, en los ultimos 3 años mas bien han ido aumentando la cifra de F-16 en capacidad de vuelo, y ahora por lo que nos mostro Erich (lastima que quita la foto) les estan haciendo un mantenimiento mayor, desde hace tiempo vienen rodando noticias sobre la posible asistencia de un pais X 

  • kamutan
    kamutanForista Cabo
    Forista Cabo
    Editado Fri, 27 May 2016 #2443
    Clark escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Iran no tiene nada que ver con F-16 ni tienen ninguna experiencia en F-16

    Exacto, ellos no tienen ningun tipo de experiencia con los F-16

    bueno al parecer estan equivocados los dos.. y los IRANIES ya han tenido contacto con los F-16A de la FAV.. gracia a Hugo Chavez.

    Did Iran really get one or more F-16 fighter jets from Venezuela?

    During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.

    Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.

    According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.

    Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.

    Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.

    Military cooperation between Chavez and Ahmadinejad was recently proved by the use of some Iranian Mohajer 2 drones,operating in Venezuela under the name of Sant Arpia.

    According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.

    The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.

    The airframe would have been brought back to flying condition in Iran to test it against the local air defense systems in anticipation of an Israeli or U.S. attack on the Iranian nuke program.

    After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.

    A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.

    It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.

    Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.

    Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.

    Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.

    However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.

    Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation

     https://theaviationist.com/2012/08/20/iran-f16/

    Como dije antes o son por colaboracion Irani, en un trato Win - Win.. por que a ellos les combiene saber mas sobre el F-16 que usa la IAF. O estan canibalizando naves para recuperar momentaneamente la operatividad.

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
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    kamutan escribió:


    Clark escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Iran no tiene nada que ver con F-16 ni tienen ninguna experiencia en F-16

    Exacto, ellos no tienen ningun tipo de experiencia con los F-16

    bueno al parecer estan equivocados los dos.. y los IRANIES ya han tenido contacto con los F-16A de la FAV.. gracia a Hugo Chavez.

    Did Iran really get one or more F-16 fighter jets from Venezuela?

    During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.

    Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.

    According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.

    Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.

    Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.

    Military cooperation between Chavez and Ahmadinejad was recently proved by the use of some Iranian Mohajer 2 drones,operating in Venezuela under the name of Sant Arpia.

    According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.

    The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.

    The airframe would have been brought back to flying condition in Iran to test it against the local air defense systems in anticipation of an Israeli or U.S. attack on the Iranian nuke program.

    After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.

    A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.

    It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.

    Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.

    Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.

    Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.

    However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.

    Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation

     https://theaviationist.com/2012/08/20/iran-f16/

    Como dije antes o son por colaboracion Irani, en un trato Win - Win.. por que a ellos les combiene saber mas sobre el F-16 que usa la IAF. O estan canibalizando naves para recuperar momentaneamente la operatividad.

    Otro mas que cayo en esa historia fantasiosa de el F-16 enviado a Iran

    :capedeh

    Kamutan eso fue un cuento que se invento el diario español ABC, el unico contacto que tuvieron los iranies con los F-16 de la FAv fue en una visita que hizo una delegación irani a Venezuela y se tomaron una foto al lado de un F-16 nada mas nada menos

  • kamutan
    kamutanForista Cabo
    Forista Cabo
    Editado Fri, 27 May 2016 #2445
    JRAP20 escribió:


    kamutan escribió:


    Clark escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Iran no tiene nada que ver con F-16 ni tienen ninguna experiencia en F-16

    Exacto, ellos no tienen ningun tipo de experiencia con los F-16

    bueno al parecer estan equivocados los dos.. y los IRANIES ya han tenido contacto con los F-16A de la FAV.. gracia a Hugo Chavez.

    Did Iran really get one or more F-16 fighter jets from Venezuela?

    During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.

    Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.

    According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.

    Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.

    Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.

    Military cooperation between Chavez and Ahmadinejad was recently proved by the use of some Iranian Mohajer 2 drones,operating in Venezuela under the name of Sant Arpia.

    According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.

    The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.

    The airframe would have been brought back to flying condition in Iran to test it against the local air defense systems in anticipation of an Israeli or U.S. attack on the Iranian nuke program.

    After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.

    A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.

    It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.

    Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.

    Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.

    Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.

    However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.

    Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation

     https://theaviationist.com/2012/08/20/iran-f16/

    Como dije antes o son por colaboracion Irani, en un trato Win - Win.. por que a ellos les combiene saber mas sobre el F-16 que usa la IAF. O estan canibalizando naves para recuperar momentaneamente la operatividad.

    Otro mas que cayo en esa historia fantasiosa de el F-16 enviado a Iran

    :capedeh

    Kamutan eso fue un cuento que se invento el diario español ABC, el unico contacto que tuvieron los iranies con los F-16 de la FAv fue en una visita que hizo una delegación irani a Venezuela y se tomaron una foto al lado de un F-16 nada mas nada menos

    jajaja ya me voy dando cuenta como funciona la idiosincracia caribeña, si algo no les gusta ES CUENTO...

    Bueno entonces estan canibalizando su aviones, ya que no es IRAN por que es Cuento, no es Israel por que no se va a arriesgar a hacer enojar a papa EUA.. por ahi Pakistan. con repuestos de contrabando.

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
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    kamutan escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    kamutan escribió:


    Clark escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Iran no tiene nada que ver con F-16 ni tienen ninguna experiencia en F-16

    Exacto, ellos no tienen ningun tipo de experiencia con los F-16

    bueno al parecer estan equivocados los dos.. y los IRANIES ya han tenido contacto con los F-16A de la FAV.. gracia a Hugo Chavez.

    Did Iran really get one or more F-16 fighter jets from Venezuela?

    During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.

    Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.

    According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.

    Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.

    Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.

    Military cooperation between Chavez and Ahmadinejad was recently proved by the use of some Iranian Mohajer 2 drones,operating in Venezuela under the name of Sant Arpia.

    According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.

    The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.

    The airframe would have been brought back to flying condition in Iran to test it against the local air defense systems in anticipation of an Israeli or U.S. attack on the Iranian nuke program.

    After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.

    A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.

    It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.

    Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.

    Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.

    Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.

    However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.

    Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation

     https://theaviationist.com/2012/08/20/iran-f16/

    Como dije antes o son por colaboracion Irani, en un trato Win - Win.. por que a ellos les combiene saber mas sobre el F-16 que usa la IAF. O estan canibalizando naves para recuperar momentaneamente la operatividad.

    Otro mas que cayo en esa historia fantasiosa de el F-16 enviado a Iran

    :capedeh

    Kamutan eso fue un cuento que se invento el diario español ABC, el unico contacto que tuvieron los iranies con los F-16 de la FAv fue en una visita que hizo una delegación irani a Venezuela y se tomaron una foto al lado de un F-16 nada mas nada menos

    jajaja ya me voy dando cuenta como funciona la idiosincracia caribeña, si algo no les gusta ES CUENTO...

    Bueno entonces estan canibalizando su aviones, ya que no es IRAN por que es Cuento, no es Israel por que no se va a arriesgar a hacer enojar a papa EUA.. 

    Y yo como es TU personalidad ( no se puede meter a todo Perú en el mismo saco) hablas sin saber de que hablas.

    Incluso salio una foto de los 2 Iranies al lado del F-16 aqui en Venezuela en la base BAEL, habian venido invitados por la FAV para ver los F-5 los cuales para esa epoca aun la FAV mantenia operativos, avión con el cual Iran SI tiene experiencia, al fil no se llego a nada con los iranies con respecto a los F-5, los tipos de regresaron a su desierto, la FAV retiro del servicio los F-5 y esa fue toda la historia.

    El diario ABC vio la fotico de los 2 barbudos iranies al lado del F-16 de la FAV y se inventaron el cuento de que Venezuela habia enviado un F-16 a Iran. 

  • fuchs1475
    fuchs1475Forista Soldado
    Forista Soldado

    Yo insisto... esos "mantenimientos" tiene olor a waffle... Y acerca del veto creo que hay que leer muy bien las disposiciones legales del mismo, explicittamente prohibe la venta o compra de bienes relacionados para defeensa por parte de empresas o el gobierno norteamericano, asi como tambien apoyo tecnico de este. sin embargo, existen muchos paises/empresas en el mundo que tiene una excelente y gran experiencia en el F-16 y que tranquilamente pueden dar mantenimiento o suministrar ciertos partes para el avion. Y si a esto le sumas que que a los del USA no les agrada demasiado que alguien introduzca armamento "exotico" en la region pues.. 2+2 casi casi da 4..

  • kamutan
    kamutanForista Cabo
    Forista Cabo
    fuchs1475 escribió:


    Yo insisto... esos "mantenimientos" tiene olor a waffle... Y acerca del veto creo que hay que leer muy bien las disposiciones legales del mismo, explicittamente prohibe la venta o compra de bienes relacionados para defeensa por parte de empresas o el gobierno norteamericano, asi como tambien apoyo tecnico de este. sin embargo, existen muchos paises/empresas en el mundo que tiene una excelente y gran experiencia en el F-16 y que tranquilamente pueden dar mantenimiento o suministrar ciertos partes para el avion. Y si a esto le sumas que que a los del USA no les agrada demasiado que alguien introduzca armamento "exotico" en la region pues.. 2+2 casi casi da 4..

    ¿Que empresa por ejemplo?... 

  • eltopo
    eltopoForista Técnico de Quinto Grado
    Forista Técnico de Quinto Grado

    bien durante el periodo que ha durado este veto o embargo de armas han ocurrido incidentes de incautaciones de motores y equipos para modernizar y mantener unidades de la ambv recuerden los motores y equipos incautados para los c-130, luego que sagem termino el contrato por el veto y paso lo mismo con los ov-10, resultando empresas americanas implicadas judicialmente

  • jcmorey2
    jcmorey2Forista Soldado
    Forista Soldado

    A ver lee entre líneas...TODOS los comentarios y sabes de quien hablan!

  • ErichSaumeth
    ErichSaumethAdministrador Sargento Primero
    Administrador Sargento Primero

    Nunca hubo una transferencia de material (F-16) de la AMBV a Irán. De hecho nunca hubo una solicitud o petición de esa nación en ese sentido.

  • bafes
    bafesForista Técnico de Quinto Grado
    Forista Técnico de Quinto Grado
    JRAP20 escribió:


    Bomba guiada Ka-500Kren un Su-30MK2 de la FAV. FAV-Club

    Cuantos kg de explosivo lleva esta? 

  • Clark
    ClarkForista Sargento
    Forista Sargento
    Bafes escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Bomba guiada Ka-500Kren un Su-30MK2 de la FAV. FAV-Club

    Cuantos kg de explosivo lleva esta? 

    http://www.fav-club.com/2014/02/10/kab-500kr/ 

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
    Forista Sargento Primero
    Bafes escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Bomba guiada Ka-500Kren un Su-30MK2 de la FAV. FAV-Club

    Cuantos kg de explosivo lleva esta? 

    Ka-500Kr

     Modelo KAB-500kr KAB-500R KAB-1500Kr KAB-1500Kr OD

    Construtor Raduga (Todas)

    Navegación EO IR EO EO

    Entrada Servicio 1979 (Todas)

    Largo 3,05 m 3,05 m 4,50 m 4,50 m

    Diámetro 350 mm 350 mm 580 mm 580 mm

    Entre aletas 0,75 m 0,75 0,85 m y 1,30 m 0,85 m y 1,30 m

    Peso 560 kg 560 kg 1.525 kg 1.475 kg

    Ojiva 380 kg - fragmentación 380 kg - fragmentación 1.100 kg - fragmentación 1.180 kg

    Fusión impacto impacto impacto perforante

    Carga Explosiva 200 kg HE + frag. 200 kg HE + frag. 700 kg - HE + frag. 850 kg HE​

    PD: Esta bomba es dispara y olvida

  • bafes
    bafesForista Técnico de Quinto Grado
    Forista Técnico de Quinto Grado
    Clark escribió:


    Bafes escribió:


    JRAP20 escribió:


    Bomba guiada Ka-500Kren un Su-30MK2 de la FAV. FAV-Club

    Cuantos kg de explosivo lleva esta? 

    http://www.fav-club.com/2014/02/10/kab-500kr/ 

    Gracias por al info, sabras si esta es la mas potente que hay en el arsenal o hay otras? 

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
    Forista Sargento Primero

    Aviamil, fotos de nuestros F-16

    Y Esta de los Su-30 salida del Instagram

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
    Forista Sargento Primero

    Instagramdel Grupo Aéreo de Caza Nº16

  • ErichSaumeth
    ErichSaumethAdministrador Sargento Primero
    Administrador Sargento Primero

    Inventario (por decirlo de alguna manera) del estado de la flota de F16. Si me equivoco corrijanme por favor.



    Operativos plenamente: 12 (incluyendo los 4 biplazas)

    Operativos con restricciones: 3

    No operativos: 5

    En museo: 1

    Perdidos: 3



    Saludos.!!

  • Clark
    ClarkForista Sargento
    Forista Sargento
    ErichSaumeth escribió:


    Inventario (por decirlo de alguna manera) del estado de la flota de F16. Si me equivoco corrijanme por favor.



    Operativos plenamente: 12 (incluyendo los 4 biplazas)

    Operativos con restricciones: 3

    No operativos: 5

    En museo: 1

    Perdidos: 3



    Saludos.!!

    Excelentes numeros con el veto 

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
    Forista Sargento Primero

    Del Instagram del G-16.

    Una salida nocturna.

    En configuración Aire/Superficie.

  • JRAP20
    JRAP20Forista Sargento Primero
    Forista Sargento Primero

    Mas del Instagram del G-16. créditos a los autores de las imagenes.

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