Incluso al día de hoy esta en Venezuela una comisión de la empresa rusa Rosoboroexport manteniendo reuniones con la FAV sobre el proyecto de modernización de los Su-30
y que sabes de esa modernización... que incluye si se llegara hacer ?
Mira realmente es poco lo que se ha filtrado, creo que fav-club tiene las fotos, lo único que supe el día de ayer es que estaban coordinando el calendario, y que la modernización seria como el estándar SM(e) que es la versión de exportación del SM ruso recientemente ofrecida a un tercer país, ese estándar no es otra cosa sino el MK3 que derivo en el SM y su costo de actualización esta en un poco mas de 20 millones por avión.
No creo que puedan revivir a Pegaso (creo que así se llamaba el KC-707 del vecino), como lo vimos con el caso de Zeus, no valdría la pena porque es un modelo ya muy "ruleteado" como dicen por ahí y ya sus fuselajes no dan más...
Si la AMBVobtuviese la aprobación -y los recursos- para la actualización y modernización de su sistema F16, este proyecto echaría por tierra la pretensión de hacerse a nuevas unidades del SU30 o del SU35?.
Saludos
Buenos días.
De los nuevos SU-30 no se habló más, ni siquiera de la lógica reposición del perdido el año pasado. De los SU-35 hay que esperar primero que la línea de producción salga de los pedidos. Debido a los último 50 encargados por Rusia, las fechas que se manejan para nuevas entregas es el 2020. Así que no cuentes con eso, aparte del tema económico.
Y hablando del tema económico no sólo de Venezuela, sino de la región, se esta tomando como prioridades el mantener y repotenciar lo adquirido más no comprar nuevos equipos y en esa dirección se mueven los lobbys en este momento en América Latina. Hay varios artículos en la web que tratan el tema y de las proyecciones de negocio por mantenimiento, repotenciación y reparación de equipamiento militar.
Así que es un paso lógico y hasta sabio la dirección que usted señala.
Sayeret Matkhal dijo: Incluso al día de hoy esta en Venezuela una comisión de la empresa rusa Rosoboroexport manteniendo reuniones con la FAV sobre el proyecto de modernización de los Su-30
During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.
Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.
According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.
Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.
Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.
According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.
The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.
After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.
A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.
It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.
Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.
Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.
Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.
However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.
Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation.
Y AL PARECER Venezuela acaba de recibir mas aviones K-8 de China.
Venezuela receives more Chinese K-8 trainers
The Venezuelan Air Force (Aviación Militar Bolivariana de Venezuela) in late February received six Hongdu K-8W jet trainers for its Grupo Aéreo de Operaciones Especiales N 15 based at Maracaibo,IHS Jane's has learned.
The aircraft are to replace three lost in accidents and are part of a batch of nine purchased in 2013, with the other three expected to arrive soon in Venezuela, sources told IHS Jane's on 14 March.
Originally, Venezuela received 18 K-8Ws from January 2010 for N 15 and the Grupo Aéreo de Caza N 12 at Barquisimeto. For Grupo 12 the K-8Ws replaced the Northrop VF-5A Freedom Fighter and for Grupo 15 they replaced the Boeing (Rockwell) OV-10 Bronco, performing advanced training, light attack, and operations against illegal flights.
desde tempranos lo sabemos pero aun no es una noticia segura asi que mejor esperar y ver las fotos
Creo que obras prudentemente, pero en caso de que sea cierto, no tengo ni idea de como el Gobierno de ese país va a justificar eso ante su opinión publica.
desde tempranos lo sabemos pero aun no es una noticia segura asi que mejor esperar y ver las fotos
Creo que obras prudentemente, pero en caso de que sea cierto, no tengo ni idea de como el Gobierno de ese país va a justificar eso ante su opinión publica.
Saludos
MMMMM pues amigo como siempre lo hacen, que la amenaza de el imperialismo yankie, que la rancia oligarquía bogotana, que uribe y sus paramilitares,entre el diablo y escoja
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Incluso al día de hoy esta en Venezuela una comisión de la empresa rusa Rosoboroexport manteniendo reuniones con la FAV sobre el proyecto de modernización de los Su-30
Saludos
y que sabes de esa modernización... que incluye si se llegara hacer ?
Mira realmente es poco lo que se ha filtrado, creo que fav-club tiene las fotos, lo único que supe el día de ayer es que estaban coordinando el calendario, y que la modernización seria como el estándar SM(e) que es la versión de exportación del SM ruso recientemente ofrecida a un tercer país, ese estándar no es otra cosa sino el MK3 que derivo en el SM y su costo de actualización esta en un poco mas de 20 millones por avión.
No creo que puedan revivir a Pegaso (creo que así se llamaba el KC-707 del vecino), como lo vimos con el caso de Zeus, no valdría la pena porque es un modelo ya muy "ruleteado" como dicen por ahí y ya sus fuselajes no dan más...
Realmente hermosos los Sukhoi.
Un saludo
Buenos días.
De los nuevos SU-30 no se habló más, ni siquiera de la lógica reposición del perdido el año pasado. De los SU-35 hay que esperar primero que la línea de producción salga de los pedidos. Debido a los último 50 encargados por Rusia, las fechas que se manejan para nuevas entregas es el 2020. Así que no cuentes con eso, aparte del tema económico.
Y hablando del tema económico no sólo de Venezuela, sino de la región, se esta tomando como prioridades el mantener y repotenciar lo adquirido más no comprar nuevos equipos y en esa dirección se mueven los lobbys en este momento en América Latina. Hay varios artículos en la web que tratan el tema y de las proyecciones de negocio por mantenimiento, repotenciación y reparación de equipamiento militar.
Así que es un paso lógico y hasta sabio la dirección que usted señala.
Saludos.
buen video
las dos bases aéreas donde estan estacionados los Su-30 tienen refugios protegidos (PAS ) construidos especialmente para los sukhois
ejercicios de hoy en la mañana Edo Barinas
harigane
Tal y como lo adelantaba Sayaret:
http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2016/03/03/noticia-fuerza-aerea-venezuela-rosoboronoexport-revisan-acuerdos-nuevos-proyectos.html
Un buen articulo, interesante, con fotografías y video.
La FAV realiza ejercicios y despliegue en autopista. Articulo de FAV-CLUB.
http://www.fav-club.com/2016/03/04/aviacion-militar-venezolana-realizo-despliegue-de-aeronaves-en-la-autopista-jose-antonio-paez/
Siempre entrenando
UN articulo algo viejo pero de un medio bastante reconocido en materia aeronautica donde explican bien lo del supuesto F-16 de la FAv en Iran
Did Iran really get one or more F-16 fighter jets from Venezuela?
During the late ’70s Iran ordered 160 F-16As. However, with the fall of the Shah in 1979, the order was cancelled and those aircraft were never delivered, although some tooling and maintenance equipment reportedly arrived in country in readiness for deliveries.
Still, there are some (mainly Iranians who reportedly saw them) who argue two airframes did make their way to Iran. According to what it has been written on some aviation forums across the world, the two F-16s that were delivered before the procurement was cancelled, were based at Mehrabad Air Base near Tehran.
According to such accounts, one “Fighting Falcon” is still operational whereas the other was disassembled for reverse engineering and then sent to Pakistan. The jet sent to Pakistan was itself looked at by the Pakistani military with the idea of reverse engineering it, although Pakistan had bought the F-16 itself.
Some say that in return for the airframe Pakistan provided Iran with nuclear technology, although, this is just one of the many speculations that surround the story.
Anyway, the Spanish newspaper ABC has recently reported that at least one F-16 of the 23 purchased by Venezuela in 1983, was transferred to Iran by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez.
Military cooperation between Chavez and Ahmadinejad was recently proved by the use of some Iranian Mohajer 2 drones, operating in Venezuela under the name of Sant Arpia.
According to the information gathered by ABC, the F-16 for Tehran have been disassembled and packed into several sealed and unmarked wooden crates which were then loaded onto a Venezuelan Boeing 707.
The 707 took off from El Liberator Air Base and stopped in Brazil, Algeria before landing in Tehran.
The airframe would have been brought back to flying condition in Iran to test it against the local air defense systems in anticipation of an Israeli or U.S. attack on the Iranian nuke program.
After a visit (to Tehran) in 2009 by the director of Venezuelan military, minutes that were signed after a high level meeting are thought to have implied that Venezuela promised to speed up further transfers of further jets, therefore there could be more than three airframes in Iran.
A quick google search for the above shows that various forums are awash with this after ABC and later Haaretz as well as several other media outlets ran reports back in June that seem to back this up.
It remains to be seen if proof is forthcoming.
Still, even if Venezuela really gave Tehran one of its jets, the airframe was already rather dated in 2006, and it would be of very little use to calibrate anti-aircraft radar systems against the most modern threats: for instance the Israeli Air Force, among the others, uses F-16I Sufa (Block 52) jets that are much different in terms of avionics and equipment from Block 15 examples.
Hence, not only there is no evidence any F-16 is currently in Iran, nor it would be of any real interest for the Iranian military.
Noteworthy, among the various images allegedly showing F-16 in Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force color scheme that can be found online, the one below is one of the most interesting. It seems to show Iranian (?) officers inspecting a (dual seater) F-16 in a hangar. The fact that the photo is in the usual FARS News agency framing makes it a bit more realistic.
However, the aircraft is in the Venezuelan Air Force color scheme and the image seems to have been taken inside one of the soft hangars at El Libertador airbase as shown in this photo on the F16.net website.
Therefore, either the image is a fake (like many others you can find on the Internet, some of those showing scale models) or it was taken by the FARS photographer Vahid Reza Alaei during a visit in Venezuela of an Iranian delegation.
Written with David Cenciotti.
Image credit: FARS News Agency (or fake?)
Eso es en BAELvzla
Puede que los iraníes sí hayan visto F-16, pero en Venezuela. Pero nunca se fue un F-16 para Irán...
Y AL PARECER Venezuela acaba de recibir mas aviones K-8 de China.
Venezuela receives more Chinese K-8 trainers
The Venezuelan Air Force (Aviación Militar Bolivariana de Venezuela) in late February received six Hongdu K-8W jet trainers for its Grupo Aéreo de Operaciones Especiales N 15 based at Maracaibo,IHS Jane's has learned.
The aircraft are to replace three lost in accidents and are part of a batch of nine purchased in 2013, with the other three expected to arrive soon in Venezuela, sources told IHS Jane's on 14 March.
Originally, Venezuela received 18 K-8Ws from January 2010 for N 15 and the Grupo Aéreo de Caza N 12 at Barquisimeto. For Grupo 12 the K-8Ws replaced the Northrop VF-5A Freedom Fighter and for Grupo 15 they replaced the Boeing (Rockwell) OV-10 Bronco, performing advanced training, light attack, and operations against illegal flights.
link: http://www.janes.com/article/58771/venezuela-receives-more-chinese-k-8-trainers
Sí, así es, mientras, la gente se roba los pollos vivos de los camiones en pleno movimiento allá...
:capedeh
desde tempranos lo sabemos pero aun no es una noticia segura asi que mejor esperar y ver las fotos
Creo que obras prudentemente, pero en caso de que sea cierto, no tengo ni idea de como el Gobierno de ese país va a justificar eso ante su opinión publica.
Saludos
MMMMM pues amigo como siempre lo hacen, que la amenaza de el imperialismo yankie, que la rancia oligarquía bogotana, que uribe y sus paramilitares,entre el diablo y escoja
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