Atención a esta parte, que me parece que sustenta lo que estado diciendo acá.
"DPRK Chemical and Biological Developments The DPRK’s nuclear programs are only part of this aspect of the military balance. Weapons of mass destruction include chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) weapons. The DPRK reportedly possesses a sizable stockpile of chemical and, possibly, biological weapons as well as the ability to mount them on conventional and unconventional delivery systems. It is also important to note that the balance also includes the CBRN weapons of outside actors like the United States and China, which may be a reason why the ROK has chosen (or been coerced) to maintain little, if any, CBRN stockpiles relative to the DPRK."
Edwin dijo: The DPRK reportedly possesses a sizable stockpile of chemical and, possibly, biological weapons as well as the ability to mount them on conventional and unconventional delivery systems.
Ahora si saben a que me refiero cuando digo que el gordo podría tener cohetes entre otros medios con cabezas químicas o biológicas??
Bueno, y si no le creen ni a la CSIS, pues créanle a los mismos gringos entonces.
"While Pyongyang openly declares itself to be a nuclear and missile power, it denies possessing chemical or biological weapons or agents. The DPRK acceded to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BWC) in March 1987, but not to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction (CWC).5 A wide range of sources raise serious doubts about such DPRK denials.
A 2000 Department of Defense (DOD) report to Congress stated,6 We assess North Korea is self-sufficient in the production of chemical components for first generation chemical agents.
They have produced munitions stockpiles…of several types of chemical agents, including nerve, choking, blister, and blood.
We assess that North Korea has the capability to develop, produce, and weaponize biological warfare agents, to include bacterial spores causing anthrax and smallpox and the bacteria causing the plague and cholera."
Edwin dijo: We assess that North Korea has the capability to develop, produce, and weaponize biological warfare agents, to include bacterial spores causing anthrax and smallpox and the bacteria causing the plague and cholera."
Ahora saben porqué es tan difícil lidiar con el gordo, a pesar de tener un ejercito obsoleto??
"It is always possible, however, that the DPRK would arms its missiles with CBRN weapons even if they had uncertain or limited effectiveness, knowing that the political, intimidation, and terror effects would be all too real even n peace time, they could have some deterrent value out of sheer uncertainty on the part of the ROK and U.S., and force major defensive preparations in the case of war.
Atención a esta parte, acá es donde digo que crear armas químicas y biológicas no es tan complejo como producir misiles o nucleares.
Moreover, the problems in creating effective chemical and biological weapons are much less severe with “slow fliers” like cruise missiles."
Bueno, acá más info... Si aún no se cree que el gordo tenga armasCBRN, sepan que hice mi mejor esfuerzo.
The DPRK is one of only six countries9 that has neither signed nor acceded to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is not expected to do so in the near-term due in part to the intrusive inspection and verification requirements mandated by the agreement.
10 A number of sources indicate that the DPRK produced its first experimental chemical weapons during the late 1950s and early 1960s in the wake of the Korean War.11 Since then, its chemical weapons program has increased in scale and lethality, and the DPRK now ranks among the world’s largest possessors of chemical weapons. Many of the fire support systems in the DPRK inventory could deliver chemical agents and be employed in offensive military operations.
Concuerdo con mucho de lo que diceedwin... el tipo esta loco pero no es [[Editado por el sistema]], tiene mas de una forma de amargarle la vida a los demas. El sistema antimisiles emplazado en corea del sur no da garantias hay mil maneras de poner un arma nuclear, quimica o biologica en cualquier parte del mundo sin necesidad de un misil
Así es, los gringos se durmieron y como que quedaron inconsientes.
"Western Estimates of DPRK Stockpiles and Capacity According to a 2006 unclassified CIA report, the DPRK is believed to possess a sizable stockpile of chemical weapons.
Su capacidad de crear agentes químicos la obtuvieron en 1989
Since 1989, it has had the ability to indigenously produce bulk quantities of nerve, blister, choking, and blood chemical agents as well as a variety of different filledmunitions systems.
Créeme Andrés no sería nada agradable llenar seúl con esto:
12 The Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) provides similar data, alleging the DPRK’s chemical arsenal to include four of the five major classes of chemical warfare (CW) agents, including phosgene (choking), hydrogen cyanide (blood), mustard (blister), and sarin (nerve agent).
Lo que parece ser una buena noticia... Aunque con todo lo que tienen es estúpido pensar que haya alguna ventaja. Es como decir que, a modo de ejemplo sin fuentes sólidas, la URSS pasó de tener 50 000 armas nucleares a solo 5000, sabiendo que con menos se puede destruir el mundo unas 5 veces.
North Korea does not appear to possess nervous system incapacitants such as BZ. Nerve agents (i.e., Sarin and VX) are believed to be the current focus of the DPRK’s CW production.13 Additionally, GlobalSecurity.org estimates that the DPRK may produce tabun and adamsite.
14 However, the DPRK may require imports of some specific precursors to produce nerve agents that are relatively more difficult to fabricate than the first generation blister, blood and choking agents.
Volvemos al cuento de los cohetes, entre otros medios de entrega:
15 The International Crisis Group (ICG) and IISS also provide estimates of possible DPRK CW agents, and other reports indicate that the DPRK appears to have increased its CW agent production capacity in the last two decades and has been able to develop and deploy a variety of delivery systems.
Mira Andrés, lo que dije hace algunos días y de lo que muchos no creían:
The country’s arsenal includes thousands of artillery of various calibers and hundreds of forward-deployed Hwasong-5/-6 missiles and Frog-5/-7 missiles capable of being fitted with chemical warheads.16 According to defector accounts, the DPRK ‘s long-range missiles such as the Nodong and other ballistic rockets and artillery pieces with calibers larger than 80 mm are capable of delivering CW agents, and beginning in 2002 the DPRK began to substantially increase the number of long-range multiple rocket 280 mm and 320 mm launching systems near the DMZ.17"
Edwin dijo: According to defector accounts, the DPRK ‘s long-range missiles such as the Nodong and other ballistic rockets and artillery pieces with calibers larger than 80 mm are capable of delivering CW agents, and beginning in 2002 the DPRK began to substantially increase the number of long-range multiple rocket 280 mm and 320 mm launching systems near the DMZ.17"
Este documento lo encontré hoy, lo que dije hace un tiempo de la utilización de la artillería como medio de entrega de armamento químico y biológico lo dije por simple lógica.
Severino16 dijo: El sistemaantimisiles emplazado en corea del sur no da garantias hay mil maneras de poner un arma nuclear, quimica o biologica en cualquier parte del mundo sin necesidad de un misil
Y es que la ventaja de emplazar CBRN en artillería es simple, la artillería y especialmente la de cohetes se hizo con el fin de saturar, y hoy por hoy no creo que haya un SAM capaz de destruir cientos o miles de cohetes antes de que estos lleguen al blanco.
Y si a esto le agregamos que los cohetes no son como los ICBM que se pueden interceptar en el espacio, la sola interceptación de cohetes cargados con CBRN supondría un suicidio de por sí ya que los agentes se espaciarían de todas maneras.
A este punto quería llegar. Ahora saben porqué a pesar de que los comunistas tienen un ejercito de risa, aún así representan un verdadero reto para los US y la ROK?
Lo dije antes, si los comunistas estuviesen en una isla apartada hace rato los habrían hecho polvo, pero su cercanía con ROK es su principal fortaleza ya que pueden generar una lluvia de parásitos y venenenos en pleno Seúl con simple artillería.
Y si creen que la artillería de los comunistas no da para alcanzar Seúl, pues hace unas páginas atrás publiqué un mapa que demuestra que pueden más que sobrados.
The Forces that Shape the Military Options in Korea
By Anthony H. Cordesman
April 21, 2017
It is all too easy to talk about military options in general terms. The devil, however, lies in the details—both in terms of the practical ability of a given side's capability to execute given options and in terms of the ability to predict how the other side(s) will react and how the resulting conflict will escalate or be terminated.
"Survivable missile forces, nuclear weapons, and the ability to launch precision-guided conventional missiles, or ones with biological and chemical warheads are all ways that give North Korea’s leader the ability to maintain its threat to its far more successful neighbor.
La razón por la que USA no hace ataques preventivos.
The deployment of such forces, and the increases in North Korean nuclear technology, steadily limit U.S. capability to carry out preventive strikes. They also enable North Korea to increasingly threaten the United States and Japan. They give North Korea more leverage over China by giving it the ability to escalate to levels that could force China to either intervene on its behalf or deal with its collapse. At the same time, North Korea's growing reliance on nuclear and missile weapons has other effects. It makes it steadily making it harder for South Korea to deter and contain North Korean threats at lower levels of force, and for the United States to respond with limited strikes or military options."
"Survivable missile forces, nuclear weapons, and the ability to launch precision-guided conventional missiles, or ones with biological and chemical warheads are all ways that give North Korea’s leader the ability to maintain its threat to its far more successful neighbor.
La razón por la que USA no hace ataques preventivos.
The deployment of such forces, and the increases in North Korean nuclear technology, steadily limit U.S. capability to carry out preventive strikes.
Chemical agents currently reported to be in the KPA inventory include, but are not necessarily limited to: adamsite (DM), chloroacetophenone (CN), chlorobenzyliidene malononitrile (CS), chlorine (CL), cyanogen chloride (CK), hydrogen cyanide (AC), mustard-family (H, HD or HL), phosgene (CG and CX), sarin (GB), soman (GD), tabun (GA) and V-agents (VM and VX).[5]It is important to note that, according to KPA defectors, the DPRK produces a total of 20 different chemical agents for use in weapons. It is believed that the KPA has concentrated upon sulfur mustard, chlorine, phosgene, sarin and the V-agents.
To date, there have been no public indications that the DPRK produces binary chemical agents. However, given the benefits of such weapons (such as safety and a longer shelf-life), it is likely that some binary agents are in production.
Intermittent reports from defectors state that the DPRK has conducted testing of chemical agents on political prisoners. For example Kwon Hyok [pseudonym], a security official at Detention Camp 22, has described incidents where healthy prisoners were placed inside glass chambers into which was inserted “gas” while technicians observed their deaths.[7] Im Chun Yong, a former special operations forces member, states that similar experiments took place on an island in the Yellow Sea. These reports are extremely difficult to confirm.[8] Taken as a whole, and within the context of what is currently known about the treatment of political prisoners within the DPRK, such reports suggest a long-standing DPRK policy of low-level lethal testing of chemical agents on unwilling human subjects.
Segun las ultimas noticias Corea del sur quiere hacer las pases con el pitbull. Se puede considerar sacar de la ecuacion a Corea del sur, pero el peligro todavia se mantiene por el lado de EEUU y Japon.
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Atención a esta parte, que me parece que sustenta lo que estado diciendo acá.
"DPRK Chemical and Biological Developments The DPRK’s nuclear programs are only part of this aspect of the military balance. Weapons of mass destruction include chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) weapons. The DPRK reportedly possesses a sizable stockpile of chemical and, possibly, biological weapons as well as the ability to mount them on conventional and unconventional delivery systems. It is also important to note that the balance also includes the CBRN weapons of outside actors like the United States and China, which may be a reason why the ROK has chosen (or been coerced) to maintain little, if any, CBRN stockpiles relative to the DPRK."
Pg 4-5 del siguiente documento de la CSIS
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/160725_Korea_WMD_Report_0.pdf
Ahora si saben a que me refiero cuando digo que el gordo podría tener cohetes entre otros medios con cabezas químicas o biológicas??
Ahora ya saben porqué los gringos no han intentado invadir al gordo en todo este tiempo, a pesar de que el hombre los retó más de una vez??
Bueno, y si no le creen ni a la CSIS, pues créanle a los mismos gringos entonces.
"While Pyongyang openly declares itself to be a nuclear and missile power, it denies possessing chemical or biological weapons or agents. The DPRK acceded to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction (BWC) in March 1987, but not to the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction (CWC).5 A wide range of sources raise serious doubts about such DPRK denials.
A 2000 Department of Defense (DOD) report to Congress stated,6 We assess North Korea is self-sufficient in the production of chemical components for first generation chemical agents.
They have produced munitions stockpiles…of several types of chemical agents, including nerve, choking, blister, and blood.
We assess that North Korea has the capability to develop, produce, and weaponize biological warfare agents, to include bacterial spores causing anthrax and smallpox and the bacteria causing the plague and cholera."
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/160725_Korea_WMD_Report_0.pdf
Ahora saben porqué es tan difícil lidiar con el gordo, a pesar de tener un ejercito obsoleto??
A lo anterior sumémosle la demencia del dictador.
Parece que lo hubiese escrito yo jajajaja...
"It is always possible, however, that the DPRK would arms its missiles with CBRN weapons even if they had uncertain or limited effectiveness, knowing that the political, intimidation, and terror effects would be all too real even n peace time, they could have some deterrent value out of sheer uncertainty on the part of the ROK and U.S., and force major defensive preparations in the case of war.
Atención a esta parte, acá es donde digo que crear armas químicas y biológicas no es tan complejo como producir misiles o nucleares.
Moreover, the problems in creating effective chemical and biological weapons are much less severe with “slow fliers” like cruise missiles."
Del mismo documento de la CSIS.
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/160725_Korea_WMD_Report_0.pdf
Todavía no la creen?
Bueno, acá más info... Si aún no se cree que el gordo tenga armasCBRN, sepan que hice mi mejor esfuerzo.
The DPRK is one of only six countries9 that has neither signed nor acceded to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is not expected to do so in the near-term due in part to the intrusive inspection and verification requirements mandated by the agreement.
10 A number of sources indicate that the DPRK produced its first experimental chemical weapons during the late 1950s and early 1960s in the wake of the Korean War.11 Since then, its chemical weapons program has increased in scale and lethality, and the DPRK now ranks among the world’s largest possessors of chemical weapons. Many of the fire support systems in the DPRK inventory could deliver chemical agents and be employed in offensive military operations.
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/160725_Korea_WMD_Report_0.pdf
Concuerdo con mucho de lo que diceedwin... el tipo esta loco pero no es [[Editado por el sistema]], tiene mas de una forma de amargarle la vida a los demas. El sistema antimisiles emplazado en corea del sur no da garantias hay mil maneras de poner un arma nuclear, quimica o biologica en cualquier parte del mundo sin necesidad de un misil
Así es, los gringos se durmieron y como que quedaron inconsientes.
"Western Estimates of DPRK Stockpiles and Capacity According to a 2006 unclassified CIA report, the DPRK is believed to possess a sizable stockpile of chemical weapons.
Su capacidad de crear agentes químicos la obtuvieron en 1989
Since 1989, it has had the ability to indigenously produce bulk quantities of nerve, blister, choking, and blood chemical agents as well as a variety of different filledmunitions systems.
Créeme Andrés no sería nada agradable llenar seúl con esto:
12 The Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) provides similar data, alleging the DPRK’s chemical arsenal to include four of the five major classes of chemical warfare (CW) agents, including phosgene (choking), hydrogen cyanide (blood), mustard (blister), and sarin (nerve agent).
Lo que parece ser una buena noticia... Aunque con todo lo que tienen es estúpido pensar que haya alguna ventaja. Es como decir que, a modo de ejemplo sin fuentes sólidas, la URSS pasó de tener 50 000 armas nucleares a solo 5000, sabiendo que con menos se puede destruir el mundo unas 5 veces.
North Korea does not appear to possess nervous system incapacitants such as BZ. Nerve agents (i.e., Sarin and VX) are believed to be the current focus of the DPRK’s CW production.13 Additionally, GlobalSecurity.org estimates that the DPRK may produce tabun and adamsite.
14 However, the DPRK may require imports of some specific precursors to produce nerve agents that are relatively more difficult to fabricate than the first generation blister, blood and choking agents.
Volvemos al cuento de los cohetes, entre otros medios de entrega:
15 The International Crisis Group (ICG) and IISS also provide estimates of possible DPRK CW agents, and other reports indicate that the DPRK appears to have increased its CW agent production capacity in the last two decades and has been able to develop and deploy a variety of delivery systems.
Mira Andrés, lo que dije hace algunos días y de lo que muchos no creían:
The country’s arsenal includes thousands of artillery of various calibers and hundreds of forward-deployed Hwasong-5/-6 missiles and Frog-5/-7 missiles capable of being fitted with chemical warheads.16 According to defector accounts, the DPRK ‘s long-range missiles such as the Nodong and other ballistic rockets and artillery pieces with calibers larger than 80 mm are capable of delivering CW agents, and beginning in 2002 the DPRK began to substantially increase the number of long-range multiple rocket 280 mm and 320 mm launching systems near the DMZ.17"
https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/160725_Korea_WMD_Report_0.pdf
Este documento lo encontré hoy, lo que dije hace un tiempo de la utilización de la artillería como medio de entrega de armamento químico y biológico lo dije por simple lógica.
Saludos, y ha sido un placer aclarar los puntos.
Y es que la ventaja de emplazar CBRN en artillería es simple, la artillería y especialmente la de cohetes se hizo con el fin de saturar, y hoy por hoy no creo que haya un SAM capaz de destruir cientos o miles de cohetes antes de que estos lleguen al blanco.
Y si a esto le agregamos que los cohetes no son como los ICBM que se pueden interceptar en el espacio, la sola interceptación de cohetes cargados con CBRN supondría un suicidio de por sí ya que los agentes se espaciarían de todas maneras.
A este punto quería llegar. Ahora saben porqué a pesar de que los comunistas tienen un ejercito de risa, aún así representan un verdadero reto para los US y la ROK?
Lo dije antes, si los comunistas estuviesen en una isla apartada hace rato los habrían hecho polvo, pero su cercanía con ROK es su principal fortaleza ya que pueden generar una lluvia de parásitos y venenenos en pleno Seúl con simple artillería.
Y si creen que la artillería de los comunistas no da para alcanzar Seúl, pues hace unas páginas atrás publiqué un mapa que demuestra que pueden más que sobrados.
PD: Si algún compañero forista tiene dudas con la interpretación o traducción de las citas, con gusto las aclaro.
Como pueden ver la traducción es bastante extensa y estos días ando atareado.
Saludos.
Este es de Abril y dice así:
The Forces that Shape the Military Options in Korea
April 21, 2017
It is all too easy to talk about military options in general terms. The devil, however, lies in the details—both in terms of the practical ability of a given side's capability to execute given options and in terms of the ability to predict how the other side(s) will react and how the resulting conflict will escalate or be terminated.
"Survivable missile forces, nuclear weapons, and the ability to launch precision-guided conventional missiles, or ones with biological and chemical warheads are all ways that give North Korea’s leader the ability to maintain its threat to its far more successful neighbor.
La razón por la que USA no hace ataques preventivos.
The deployment of such forces, and the increases in North Korean nuclear technology, steadily limit U.S. capability to carry out preventive strikes. They also enable North Korea to increasingly threaten the United States and Japan. They give North Korea more leverage over China by giving it the ability to escalate to levels that could force China to either intervene on its behalf or deal with its collapse. At the same time, North Korea's growing reliance on nuclear and missile weapons has other effects. It makes it steadily making it harder for South Korea to deter and contain North Korean threats at lower levels of force, and for the United States to respond with limited strikes or military options."
Ver artículo completo en:
https://www.csis.org/analysis/forces-shape-military-options-korea
Chemical Warfare Agents
Chemical agents currently reported to be in the KPA inventory include, but are not necessarily limited to: adamsite (DM), chloroacetophenone (CN), chlorobenzyliidene malononitrile (CS), chlorine (CL), cyanogen chloride (CK), hydrogen cyanide (AC), mustard-family (H, HD or HL), phosgene (CG and CX), sarin (GB), soman (GD), tabun (GA) and V-agents (VM and VX).[5]It is important to note that, according to KPA defectors, the DPRK produces a total of 20 different chemical agents for use in weapons. It is believed that the KPA has concentrated upon sulfur mustard, chlorine, phosgene, sarin and the V-agents.
To date, there have been no public indications that the DPRK produces binary chemical agents. However, given the benefits of such weapons (such as safety and a longer shelf-life), it is likely that some binary agents are in production.
Vamos muchachos, no estamos tratando con Canadá, Finlandia o Suiza... jajajajaja... Este gordo es un loquillo..jajajaja
Reported HumanTesting[6]
Intermittent reports from defectors state that the DPRK has conducted testing of chemical agents on political prisoners. For example Kwon Hyok [pseudonym], a security official at Detention Camp 22, has described incidents where healthy prisoners were placed inside glass chambers into which was inserted “gas” while technicians observed their deaths.[7] Im Chun Yong, a former special operations forces member, states that similar experiments took place on an island in the Yellow Sea. These reports are extremely difficult to confirm.[8] Taken as a whole, and within the context of what is currently known about the treatment of political prisoners within the DPRK, such reports suggest a long-standing DPRK policy of low-level lethal testing of chemical agents on unwilling human subjects.
Segun las ultimas noticias Corea del sur quiere hacer las pases con el pitbull. Se puede considerar sacar de la ecuacion a Corea del sur, pero el peligro todavia se mantiene por el lado de EEUU y Japon.
Por ahi me llego un articulo de las capacidades de Corea del Sur:
Kill Chain, el controvertido sistema de Seúl para arrasar Corea del Norte en minutos
http://www.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/2017-05-08/tecnologia-militar-kill-chain-corea-del-norte-kim-jong-un-seul_1378257/
En opinión de muchos analistas, no son los misiles la mayor amenaza, es la artillería y CBRN ( chemical, biological, radioactive an nuclear).
Muchas fuentes citan que entre Japón, USA, y ROK no destruirían más del 40% del arsenal norcoreano en un solo ataque, ¿Y el resto?.
Saben a caso cuantos cohetes entre otros medios pueden usarse como medios de entrega de CBRN??
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