Recordemosque a día de hoy, no se trata de quién lo tenga más largo y más grueso (me refiero al cañón).
Sigo pensando que, con exepción de la Guajira, la mejor opción para Colombia sería algo así como un vehículo anfibio con un buen cañón y ATs + un sistema de protección activa, que como se puede ver en el video, ya están más que probados en combate.
Bien que le harían a un EJERCOL que no tiene MBT. Y viene hasta para integrarlo en vehículos livianos, medios y pesados.
La única forma de que hasta un Bufalo armado con ATs tenga chanche contra un MBT es con uno de esos.
Les dejo este enlace, tal vez les sirva. Contiene los precios de vehículos blindados, artillería, etc. Los precios parecen ajustarse a la realidad, más sin embargo se puede discutir su veracidad.
Repito, muchos de los precios ahí citados, en mi opinión, parecen ajustarse bastantea la realidad.
Y valen menos aun si son "refurbished" como los vendidos a Marruecos o a Australia. 1000 millones por 222 M 1s = 4.5 millones c / u . Claro la economia de escalas nos dice que por 80/ 100 ( la posible compra Colombiana ) se pagaria algo mas.
Morocco receives tanks from the US as part of the general contract for 222 tanks , worth $ 1.015 billion, which was approved by the US Congress in 2011 and signed in 2013
Que no se te olvide que nos acaban de donar 10 UH-60Blackhawks, Además estas en OFF TOPIC.
Porque no donan, porque no los pedimos, y si los pedimos queremos actualizarlos con otros contratistas, y USA quiere donar pero que el trabajo lo hagan en USA o con USA.
No se ustedes, pero este me gusta. Adicionarle un Active Defense System tipo TROPHY y tienes un buen elemento de caballería fácil de transportar a cualquier parte del país.
The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has tested a new tank on the Tibetan Plateau in western China, the Chinese Ministry of Defense announced on June 29.
Possibly the ZTQ light tank "Xinqingtan" on the Tibetan Plateau
“Recently, a new-type of tank has undertaken trials on the Tibet Plateau. The trials were aimed to test the tank’s performance and are not targeted at any country,” PLA spokesman Colonel Wu Qian said during a regular press briefing at the Ministry of Defense (MoD) on June 29. The statement came in response to a (prepared) question about U.S. media reports of a new-type of 35-ton light main battle tank (MBT) that was seen during a recent military exercise conducted by a mechanized infantry brigade of PLA Tibet Military Command on the Tibet Plateau.
The spokesperson did not reveal details on the tanks, but it is likely that he was referring to the so-called ZTQ light tank, dubbed Xinqingtan, pictures of which first emerged in 2010. It remains unclear whether this new type of light MBT with a combat weight of between 33 to 36 tons has already been inducted into the PLA.
An export variant of the Xinqingtan, designated VT-5, has first been revealed at an exhibition in October 2016. Both the VT-5 and Xinqingtan have reportedly been under development by China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO), China’s largest tank maker.
An export variant of the Xinqingtan, designated VT-5, has first been revealed at an exhibition in October 2016. Both the VT-5 and Xinqingtan have reportedly been under development by China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO), China’s largest tank maker.
The tank is purportedly armed with a 105-millimeter gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. Similar to guns on other Chinese MBTs, the VT-5’s gun may also be capable of firing laser-guided anti-tank missiles, next to kinetic energy penetrators and high-explosive anti-tank warheads. Furthermore, the VT-5 is equipped with a state-of-the-art fire control system and features an autoloader like all Chinese tank designs.
Next to the 105-millimeter cannon the Xinqingtan MBT is reportedly armed with a 35-millimeter grenade launcher and a 12.7-millimeter machine gun. The tank can reportedly be fitted with advanced composite armor and explosive reactive armor. According to some reports, the PLA plans to induct up to 300 Xinqingtan MBTs. The tank will likely be used for reconnaissance and infantry support operations in mountainous terrain.
“The VT-5 and ZTQ light tanks appear to be a downsized version of the VT-4/MBT-3,000. The VT-4 is based on the Soviet-era T-72 tank design and armed with a 125-mm smoothbore gun,” I noted last year. “In comparison to the VT-4, the VT-5 will likely boost weaker armor and a less powerful main gun as well as engines.”
wilderbjj dijo: Cañon de 105mm.?????? hmmmmm no me cuadra.
Pues Wilder, en este caso no parece haber mucha diferencia entre uno de 105 mm y uno de 120 o 125 mm.
Edwin dijo: The tank is purportedly armed with a 105-millimeter gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. Similar to guns on other Chinese MBTs, the VT-5’s gun may also be capable of firing laser-guided anti-tank missiles, next to kinetic energy penetrators and high-explosive anti-tank warheads. Furthermore, the VT-5 is equipped with a state-of-the-art fire control system and features an autoloader like all Chinese tank designs
Ese cañón de 105 puede lanzar misiles AT, penetradores kinéticos, y municiones AT de alto poder explosivo. Dispara lo mismo y hasta más que un 120 mm NATO.
Un "MBT cito". Esta chevere, pero el cañon de 105 mm es muy flojo. Preferiria 32 MBT de verdad que 100 pequeñines de estos. Edwin un Cobra a tambien dispara ATGM s.
LtColSolo dijo: Edwin un Cobra a tambien dispara ATGM s.
Por eso mencioné lo del Trophy, ese sistema puede hasta parar las rondas de cualquier cañón sea tanque, artillería, ATGMs, RPGs. A día de hoy, tanto la APFSDS disparada tanto por un cañón de 105 como de 120 son igual de letales, no existe, me atrevo a decir, blindado alguno que resista el impacto de este tipo de munición.
Parece que los APS, en especial el Iron Fist israelí tienen una alta tasa de efectividad encontra de munición APFSDS.
"The primary differentiation between the systems involves the way in which each of them handles kinetic energy rounds (or kinetic energy penetrators). The Trophy system handles threats with warheads, while the Iron Fist system can also handle kinetic energy rounds. A kinetic energy (KE) round is a long tungsten rod, shaped like an arrow, with a sharp point and stabilizing fins. To fit the caliber of the cannon firing it, the round is surrounded by a plastic shell called a Sabot, which separates from the round after it leaves the cannon. IMI, Rafael and the IDF Ordnance Corps were world pioneers in the development of such armor-piercing rounds, and the first KE round that entered service in IDF was known as Lituf (APFSDS - Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot). KE rounds of this type were used by the IDF 421st Brigade, the first IDF armored brigade that crossed the Suez Canal in the Yom-Kippur War of 1973, against the Egyptian armored formations."
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Momento del cual debería aprovechar las FFAA para renovar equipos
https://youtu.be/F1N1aPHgXCU
Recordemosque a día de hoy, no se trata de quién lo tenga más largo y más grueso (me refiero al cañón).
Sigo pensando que, con exepción de la Guajira, la mejor opción para Colombia sería algo así como un vehículo anfibio con un buen cañón y ATs + un sistema de protección activa, que como se puede ver en el video, ya están más que probados en combate.
Bien que le harían a un EJERCOL que no tiene MBT. Y viene hasta para integrarlo en vehículos livianos, medios y pesados.
La única forma de que hasta un Bufalo armado con ATs tenga chanche contra un MBT es con uno de esos.
Les dejo este enlace, tal vez les sirva. Contiene los precios de vehículos blindados, artillería, etc. Los precios parecen ajustarse a la realidad, más sin embargo se puede discutir su veracidad.
Repito, muchos de los precios ahí citados, en mi opinión, parecen ajustarse bastantea la realidad.
http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/tanks.html
Y valen menos aun si son "refurbished" como los vendidos a Marruecos o a Australia. 1000 millones por 222 M 1s = 4.5 millones c / u . Claro la economia de escalas nos dice que por 80/ 100 ( la posible compra Colombiana ) se pagaria algo mas.
Altay con kit de supervivencia en ambientes de guerra asimétrica urbana.
Buenas ofertas se encontrarán. Lo que pasa es que no hay visión ni voluntad por parte del ejercito.
Y a nosotros por que no nos donan unos 50 mbt de usa
http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2017/07/04/noticia-obuses-155mm-m109a5-brasil.html
eso es un obus autopropulsado no un mbt
Que no se te olvide que nos acaban de donar 10 UH-60Blackhawks, Además estas en OFF TOPIC.
Porque no donan, porque no los pedimos, y si los pedimos queremos actualizarlos con otros contratistas, y USA quiere donar pero que el trabajo lo hagan en USA o con USA.
Porque se pregunta en cualquier tema: porque no donan, porque no regalan?
NO hay tal cosa como una comida gratis!
Patxis y acaso hay alguna diferencia con los vehículos donados a Brasil.???
No se ustedes, pero este me gusta. Adicionarle un Active Defense System tipo TROPHY y tienes un buen elemento de caballería fácil de transportar a cualquier parte del país.
The spokesperson did not reveal details on the tanks, but it is likely that he was referring to the so-called ZTQ light tank, dubbed Xinqingtan, pictures of which first emerged in 2010. It remains unclear whether this new type of light MBT with a combat weight of between 33 to 36 tons has already been inducted into the PLA.
An export variant of the Xinqingtan, designated VT-5, has first been revealed at an exhibition in October 2016. Both the VT-5 and Xinqingtan have reportedly been under development by China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO), China’s largest tank maker.
The tank is purportedly armed with a 105-millimeter gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. Similar to guns on other Chinese MBTs, the VT-5’s gun may also be capable of firing laser-guided anti-tank missiles, next to kinetic energy penetrators and high-explosive anti-tank warheads. Furthermore, the VT-5 is equipped with a state-of-the-art fire control system and features an autoloader like all Chinese tank designs.
Next to the 105-millimeter cannon the Xinqingtan MBT is reportedly armed with a 35-millimeter grenade launcher and a 12.7-millimeter machine gun. The tank can reportedly be fitted with advanced composite armor and explosive reactive armor. According to some reports, the PLA plans to induct up to 300 Xinqingtan MBTs. The tank will likely be used for reconnaissance and infantry support operations in mountainous terrain.
“The VT-5 and ZTQ light tanks appear to be a downsized version of the VT-4/MBT-3,000. The VT-4 is based on the Soviet-era T-72 tank design and armed with a 125-mm smoothbore gun,” I noted last year. “In comparison to the VT-4, the VT-5 will likely boost weaker armor and a less powerful main gun as well as engines.”
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/china_tested_new_light_tank_on_the_tibetan_plateau_80507175.html
Cañon de105mm.?????? hmmmmm no me cuadra.
Pues Wilder, en este caso no parece haber mucha diferencia entre uno de 105 mm y uno de 120 o 125 mm.
Ese cañón de 105 puede lanzar misiles AT, penetradores kinéticos, y municiones AT de alto poder explosivo. Dispara lo mismo y hasta más que un 120 mm NATO.
Un "MBT cito". Esta chevere, pero el cañon de 105 mm es muy flojo. Preferiria 32 MBT de verdad que 100 pequeñines de estos. Edwin un Cobra a tambien dispara ATGM s.
Por eso mencioné lo del Trophy, ese sistema puede hasta parar las rondas de cualquier cañón sea tanque, artillería, ATGMs, RPGs. A día de hoy, tanto la APFSDS disparada tanto por un cañón de 105 como de 120 son igual de letales, no existe, me atrevo a decir, blindado alguno que resista el impacto de este tipo de munición.
Parece que los APS, en especial el Iron Fist israelí tienen una alta tasa de efectividad encontra de munición APFSDS.
"The primary differentiation between the systems involves the way in which each of them handles kinetic energy rounds (or kinetic energy penetrators). The Trophy system handles threats with warheads, while the Iron Fist system can also handle kinetic energy rounds. A kinetic energy (KE) round is a long tungsten rod, shaped like an arrow, with a sharp point and stabilizing fins. To fit the caliber of the cannon firing it, the round is surrounded by a plastic shell called a Sabot, which separates from the round after it leaves the cannon. IMI, Rafael and the IDF Ordnance Corps were world pioneers in the development of such armor-piercing rounds, and the first KE round that entered service in IDF was known as Lituf (APFSDS - Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot). KE rounds of this type were used by the IDF 421st Brigade, the first IDF armored brigade that crossed the Suez Canal in the Yom-Kippur War of 1973, against the Egyptian armored formations."
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/active-protection-any-cost
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